Thursday, November 24, 2005

Marathi-baana

Someone emailed Mitrauk group, about whether should speak to our kids in Marathi and whether it is really important.



My emotional rambling argument is here. I don't think I answered his question in any significant way, but my opinion is all there in full-force



I think it is not important just to speak the language. I converse with family and friends in Marathi, but when it comes to expressing ideas, or thoughts or arguing an opinion (to differentiate from normal or daily chit chat), most of us fall back on English. If not completely, atleast, the most important/operating words are in English. (Picture kaay superb hota, Mi tyalaa etiquettes cha study karaylaa sangat hota, Language var control naahi)



What we have of Marathi is just basic grasp of the language. And I wont say, this basic grasp of language is enough to keep us bounded to Marathi identity. May be we are just hanging on to the last vestiges of Marathi-banaa.



When we lose a language, we lose everything associated with it progressively. How does one appreciate bhondla, bhaktisangeet, santanche bol. How does one understand Mahonar's poetry. But it would be difficult for us to do that, when the meaning is lost. When meaning is lost, the interest is lost. The quest for knowledge continues, but the we turn to things foreign. There is no one to blame, just coz the setting we are in. There is no incentive for knowing your roots.



Humour is the most delicate manifestation of mastery over the language. So, quality of humour is marred if you dont know the language inside out. In India, most of the Bollywood writers are non-Hindi speaking (most would be Punjabi now speaking English off-work). So subtle sense of humour has never been the mainstay on Indian celluloid or idiot box (we are just masters of farce and pjs). Humour or not, the current output in popular media (tv, films, books) is sub-standard and we are more pushed towards far superior English alternative.



I am not arguing against English or anything. I just think, we are too well versed in it. We are too well prepared to take on the world. This command has come at a cost of local language and identity and I resent that, we don't do anything about it.



It could be helped. Read more Marathi stuff. Make sure you get Marathi books from back home. Atleast identity your vegetables, food, masale, in proper Marathi.
Use askhalit (I hope thats right) Marathi as much as possible (avoid calling mobile Dhawnibhramanika or some such).


Only Indians mock other Indians who speak shudh bhasha. We should be ashamed to do otherwise.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

what you said is all correct but i think we all are very well trained to think and express in English. it might be forced rtarining or just happened with time training. I remember writing good in good Marathi but now I seem to prefer write in English.

Anonymous said...

language is 4gotten if not spoken often. (only hearing is not enough!) so first of all, if one wants to keep a language alive, she/he should speak it her/himself.
now about the 'dhedguzri' language u r talking about. its shows that u r running out of vocab.. think y?
also, an anonymous said that he prefers writing in english now. along with other reasons, technology is an important reason. e.g. actually i want to comment in marathi, but technology doesnt allow me..
so keep speaking marathi, for that keep reading and listening to marathi. and engineers, do something for it!
ashish.scribe@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

We must promote ALL Indian languages as well as english becuase English is a neutral language .
otherwise we should replace English with a NEUTRAL language like Prakrit

Here are some objections against Hindi: WHY HINDI IS SO DANGEROUS

1.You cannot take the language of one state and promote it as the national
language. This is the opinion of many people I have spoken to.
It creates an artificial politically induced lopsided development . (I will give you an example shortly )

Tomorrow if we have only Hindi medium schools throughout India , people from 4 hindi speaking states
due to their natural fluency in the language will get higher marks than me. Plus I have to learn an additional
language (Telegu) (which he doesn't) for which I have to sacrifice another subject . This is a double advantage
for a hindi speaker and a double disadvantage for a non-hindi speaker. Within years , people from 4 states will
take away all the Engineering and Medical seats and all jobs if the private sector is forced to operate in Hindi .
This will happen right from Kashmir to kanyakumari. This is not based on merit but a politically engineered differentiation.
This is the end of the day for merit based education in India.

I do agree that English is difficult but it is equally difficult for everybody. That is the point here.
The only problem is that English creates an urban rural divide, but the onus to solve this rests with
the state government. Many states like Karnataka and andhra have already taken steps to
solve this. Where's the legal remedy if you take the language of one state and allow it
to replace English ? This is a perfect recipe for disaster and can even wipe out other
languages in the long run.

Otherwise create a new neutral language.

2. Another danger of having one language as the national language are that is encourages
one linguistic group to believe that they are superior to others and are always
in a position to take over the rest of the country. They are also forced
to live in a fools paradise -as a written language Hindi is anyway dead outside the
Hindi speaking states.So, what's the point?

3. Some people want to make hindi an international language. If we make Assamese an
international language, we have to make it a national language first. What happens
to all other Indian languages then?

4. Can you show me any other non-hindi speaking state which accepts Hindi as one of the official
languages of the state ? None. If tomorrow , West Bengal opens Hindi medium schools in every village
in Bengal , half of Bihar will be in Bengal . That is the end of Bengali culture which even the British or
the Muslims and the british did not touch. We cannot allow the language of one state to replace English as this would undermine
the spirit of the Indian constitution.

Similarly if the the state goverment of Andhra pradesh opens Hindi medium schools in
Vijayawada , it has to open Gujarathi and Marathi medium schools also. That is why
no state government in India allows schools in any language other than the local
language plus English. On what basis should Hindi medium schools be allowed in Vijayawada
and not Malayalam medium schools ? Based on the law of numbers ?

Again, Hindi is the "official language" of the Central government . in Andhra Pradesh,
for example, only Telegu, urdu and English have been given official status .So doesn't
Hindi undermine the federal spirit of the Indian constitution again ? Education is not even a
central subject as per the indian constitution.

5.Can you also show me one hindi sign board anywhere in India outside a Hindi speaking state?
I have yet to come across one in my entire life except in a central government office.

6. Again can you show me one private sector company in India which operates in Hindi ?
The private sector considers Hindi to be another regional language like kannada - period.
If the private sector tries to switch over to Hindi people of other language groups will
protest.
So , why force it on the private sector ?

7. Again, all private initiatives give importance to all Indian languages eg Google search etc.

8.Finally, even if you try to spread keep spreading hindi, human nature being what it is,
the chances are that it will fail.So what is the point in spreading it at all if you are ultimately not
successful?

Alternatively , you may teach basic Hindi / Hinglish in every state as a spoken language
either in the English script or in the script of the local language, since we do
need one spoken colloquial throught the country.Let us remember only unity in diversity
integrates India in the long run. Hinglish (eg Kal 7'0' clock 100% aaungaa ,sir ) is the local dialect
in many non-hindi speaking states because it is very simple to learn , but it has no legal status
or a written form anywhere.

9. No upto date sociologist will accept the theory that a country needs one national language to stay
united. If you suggest this idea to anybody anywhere in the world, it will become the international
joke of the century. This is remniscent of early Hindi nationalism (1947-1956).
We can take legal action against them in a court of law and this is the stupidest idea in the History of
human civiization.Even the muslims and the British did not touch Indian languages three of which
(Tamil, Telegu and Kannada are more than two thousand years old).

However Hindi will become one of the countries most important spoken lingua francas in
the long run based on the law of demand and supply. HINDI and other languages FOR CULTURAL EVENTS, MAKING FRIENDS,
WATCHING MOVIES ETC (SINCE ENGLISH IS HOPELESSLY UNSUITED FOR ALL THIS)
AND A NEUTRAL LANUAGE AS AN OFFICIAL LANGUAGE WILL ALONE PROMOTE NATIONAL UNITY. And this is
what is happening, "Automatically" based on the law of demand and supply.

10. Again , if India replaces English with Hindi or Malayalam. India will break up in 20 years I can also give
this to you in writing. I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO PROVE ME WRONG. Look at Kashmir.

Why on earth will any Kashmiri educate his children in Hindi, and enslave his children
to people of another state and spoil
the next generations future when Hindi is hardly even a written language anywhere in India
Just because he speaks Hindi to his carpenter or watchman and
watches Hindi movies , it doesn't mean anything. One needs to do a qualitative analysis.
MOST PARTS OF INDIA HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH SOME OTHER COUNTRY AND NOT WITH THE HINDI Heartland.
The dream of a Software Engineer from Hyderabad is to go to the USA , not to Lucknow.

11. Again in mulitlingual countries there has always been demand for an neutral language
Eg Bhutan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Singapore etc. Exception Canada: but canada has always promoted
bilingualism.

12.Tomorrow, if we remove English and replace it with Tamil, Tamil medium schools will
open all over andhra pradesh, and we will be subservient to the people of another state.
If we replace English with Hindi , don't you think the danger to Andhra pradesh's economy
is even greater because Hindi speakers are 8 times greater in number.
Can the reader please carefully think through this?
What benefits will the replacement of English with Hindi bring to the economy of Andhra
Pradesh ? .none, when Hindi has no written form outside the Hindi belt. In the eyes of
any international expert, will this lead to National integration ? Certainly not.
In some ads in Hindi channels , the Kathakali dance of Kerela is shown in the Hindi
language and a complete mockery of the dance is made. Isn't this a disrespect for Indian
culture ?

13. Furthermore, Hindi is just
another Indian language which can be picked up without any difficulty.
Hindi and urdu are virtually the same language.
So it is enough if we make it the third language?

14. Again nehruvian socialist cultural policies are horrendously outdated. They focus only
on the Mughal empire and British empire and provide an Ideal excuse for the BJP
to promote Hindutva. How can this sustain national integration in the long run?


WHAT WE NEED TO DO : ADOPT A UNITY IN DIVERSITY MODEL AND MAKE INDIA THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD

The greatness of India is its Unity in Diversity . Follow a unity in Diversity
model . Examples countries following this model are
(a) Switzerland
(b) Singapore
(c) Canada

Each state can select link languages based on popular demand (English and other languages maybe may be)
and compensate other languages for the loss in other ways - spend more money on other
languages since Hindi has already spread and will continue to do so based on the law of
demand and supply. Only Unity in Diversity and a healthy mutual respect for
various Indian cultures sustains National
integration in the long run. You can check out the Switzerland model if you want. You
might also want to know how Unity in Diversity helped Canada from disintegrating.
The Unified Rajbhasha Model was required before liberalization but now common sense
would only indicate based on experience everywhere that a unity in diversity model
is more appropriate.

Take this oft-repeated statement

"Over centralization destroyed India, now liberalization
is reuniting India"

Here is one model you might want to adopt since Hindi has already spread.
The following is my suggestion:
Amend the constitution and
(a) Make all Indian languages National languages as a token of acknowledgement of
the rich diversity of the sub-continent and the
equality of all cultures
(b) Declare English as the recommended Official link language (But leave the choice
to the states)
(c) some states can choose Hindi or other languages as a cultural link language if required.
* Hindi enables poorer people across India to communicate with each other since 40% of
Indians speak Hindi versus 5% english , but that is about it : as a
written language hindi is already dead outside of the Hindi belt. In my opinion
people need to learn the mother tongue first followed by English and Basic Hindi
(optional). Hindi is is mainly useful the wholesale , retail trade and the
entertainment industry and for some amount of emotional bonding. It not only imposes
load on some states but gives more preferences for 4 states with repsect to
job) and some states States , of course get to
decide their own cultural policy . This
includes
(a) Role of the mother tongue
(b) Role of English
(c) Role of Hindi
(d) Role of other Regional languages
This will ensure that the local culture gets first preference.
We need to encourage a Unity in Diversity model . I however support a basic knowledge
of ONE Indian language throughout the country
i.e Hindi (as English requires a formal education). It but let the realization come
voluntarily, let it not be imposed. Ideally
a neutral language such a spoken Prakrit
would have been better but now that Hindi has already spread
throughout most of India , it will keep spreading based on the Law of supply and
demand .We can no longer avoid it.
Several formulas are also available to judge
languages based on Historical significance,
Cultural importance, uniqueness, number of speakers etc ( A lot
of research has been done of this in the
past few years and while maintianing
national integration, such formulas can help
determine the budget spend on other Indian
languages). Dilopmas such as
1. master of all Indian languages
2. Master of Classical indian languages
3. Master of South indian languages
4. Master of Sanksrit, Gujarati, Hindi etc
5. Master of North eastern languages

can be awarded by the central government. Members of each language group can be represented
in a new body that is created to promote Indian languages.This will also give a place
to people from all language groups at the central government and promote national unity.

Alternatively , the centre need not promote any language. Leave it to the states.
This model is followed in the European union. However, certain Central government
organizations like the Indian army can use Hindi as one of their working languages.

What about Simplified Prakrit ?

This is a neutral language. It can be considered as a long term replacement for English.
You can take maximum words from speakers of minority languages to integrate them
better into the mainstream . However take the concurrance of all state governments
first.

Mauritius model

Mauritius encourages people to retain their own customs and languages but encourages
them to interaact

New Three language formula ?

for state board schools

1. States language compulsary first language
2. English compulsary second language
3. An other living indian language for 2-3 years

for English medium

1. English compulsary first language
2. An other living indian language for 10 years
3. Any other indian / foreign language for 2-3 years

States can override this law by making states language compulsary in certain cases

This will

(a) Protect mother tongue in case of transferable jobs
(b) Help indian languages spread evenly and uniformly
(c) Allow the learning of Indian languages to follow demand and supply
(d) Allow languages such as Urdu to be taught
(e) Allow people to travel throughout the country and integrate without losing
their identity
(f) Allow for composite and conversational courses
(g) Allow states to teach each others languages in a fixed number of schools through
mutual agreement
(h) Allow parents to petition for teaching of mother tongue in schools if the
school is willing
(i) Allow for better national integration in the long run without causing ill-feelings

Sujay